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Area/Game:Wooden Ships & Iron Men
Topic:Program code error
Subject:Re: Surrender Bug: Ethic of Opportunity Surrendering
Posted by: karllagov - 16years 259days ago.
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Hey Odeiiii,

interesting thread.

It happened to me, too, a while ago. While I am not too furious if a beginner surrenders without knowing better,it really gets me when an experienced player does that.

There is not much you can do but avoid that player in future. You can open games and put "not XYZ" in the description. Worked for me. Also, I am not afraid to post the name of that sucker in the forum so everyone knows what they are dealing with. Keep it fact only, though, no insults. Also, you can write "only players who play until one ship is sunk" in your scenario description. That hopefully makes a point.

After all, you have to suck it up, though. Just keep in mind that most of the players here are fun to deal with. There is the occasional black sheep, but you will learn to avoid them.

I have no idea how that bug came into being in the first place. It seems to be so simple... but I am not a programmer, so I don't know how much trouble it would be to fix it.

I do surrender when the game is lost and my enemy leads in points. I don't like auto moving and I don't like waiting until my ships are all finished off.

Meet you at the battle seas,
KL

Odeiiii wrote:
Good day, Admirals.

I'm a new member in You Play It, signed in just two weeks ago. I like specially naval wargames, so immediately I subscribed to some WS&IM games, three of them against the same player. I lost the first two of these, but it looked like I was going to win the third one as I managed to dismast all the enemy ships. However, just when I was going to maneouvre to rake and finish them off, my opponent surrendered. It didn't amaze me, as his possibilities of eventually winning were rather scarce. However, later I realized the victory count in my profile didn't increase as it should according to the rules. I looked at the forum and learned that such "surrender bug" is fairly known, and that unfortunately the game programmers are too busy to fix it now. In that moment I thought maybe my opponent too, as me, was a new player and didn't know about the bug, but a quick look at his profile showed me he was a veteran with several hundreds of games at his back (about half of them victorious). Such behaviour shocked (and still shocks) me, as it just denied me the victory without giving him anything (for him the game would be credited as a defeat anyway), and I would like to know how it is ethically regarded in the You Play It Community: is it a 'legal' option, or on the contrary is it thought as non-fairplay, or even as plain cheating?

I will appreciate any opinion.

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