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City:Sunderland EN
Personal Data:born: August 17 1964
HomePage or other cool site:http://Also playing as Graysghost
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Area/Game:Blue Max
Topic:Rules
Subject:Re: Clarification of leaving the map during a league
Posted by: Christie - 5years 49days ago.
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markrendl wrote:
Christie wrote:
markrendl wrote:
Christie wrote:
The rules state that if you leave the map without honour - bugging out of the side rather than trying to get to your baseline - will halve your points.

If you leave over your own baseline you have left with honour and reduce the victory conditions should your opponents’ win as you are deemed to still be on the playing area.

Does a person leaving without honour also reduce the victory conditions?

If so that's a cheat because what you're doing is ensuring your opponents can't get maximum points for the victory and it gives you a better chance to win the league. (yes, I agree, people who have a stuck rudder don't have any option but that shouldn't affect victory conditions in their favour - their plane is uncontrollable)

You may gather I don't know the answer but have found a number of opponents doing this recently and am wondering why they are choosing this method of leaving the game.

Kit


If you leave without honor, you count as lost for victory purposes. However, you do not suffer the league victory point penalty for getting shot down, and your opponent loses the chance to gain a victory point from your demise.

Some refuse to do this; others routinely do so. It has been debated at length on more than one occasion in the past.

All's fair in love and war, so best get used to it.


So basically you're saying people are cheating and I should accept it?

That's never going to happen.

You either play the game honourably or expect to be called out for it. A cheat is a cheat and I will say so until I die. That's the problem of being brought up a gentleman, you believe that honour, enjoying and playing in the spirit of the game is more important than winning.

I may be a dying breed but sadly people who cheat are on the increase. If everyone accepts cheating then what's the point in playing? You may as well say that the cheats have won.

Would it be possible to add a box where you exclude people from joining a league so people who are known cheats can be prevented from spoiling a league in future?


It's not cheating; it is part of the game. Whether you like it or not is another matter. The issue has been debated at length numerous times in the past and you can search through old postings if you wish to revisit it and review all the arguments.

If you want to avoid people you consider to be cheats, don't sign up for games you see such signed up for, or set up invitation only games. The problem is, traffic here is far down from it's glory days; there are only around 200 odd pilots in the current statistics page as opposed to 700 plus at one point. You may have trouble filling games with only those who you deem honorable.



I'm one of those people who bought this game the week it appeared in my local wargame's shop back in the very early 80s when I was a teenager.
In the original rules, on Page 5, it actually states that:

A player is considered to have escaped if his plane flies off the edge of the playing surface behind his side's start line. (An aircraft may not fly off the edge anywhere else.)

It isn’t a part of the game as written. What’s happened is that to allow users to play the game online, without shifting the board sideways, players have been allowed to leave the board from any side – but the penalties of counting as shot down and destroyed were not put in place. Given the age of the script I’m guessing it would be very difficult to amend.

By leaving the playing area you take a victory down from Strategic to Tactical and rob the winning player of 2 points per game. By doing so you can prevent someone from winning a league by accident or deliberately. That's indefensible and can only be described as cheating.

The easiest fix would be a box on the league creation page that users’ names could be placed in to prevent them joining a league you create. You can choose to invite players but not exclude them, and given recent in game behaviour there are some players I would rather not have in my leagues/games. That behaviour has prevented other players winning a league – I haven’t come close to winning a league in almost five years so this isn’t about me, it’s about fair play.

I’m looking for a solution given we have a new owner who is looking at a potential re-write of the scripting and if we don’t have an open debate then what does that make us? Silence condones poor behaviour and if we don’t speak up we’ll never stop it or change anything.

Christie

Aka Kit - Graysghost

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