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Area/Game:Blue Max
Topic:Program code error
Subject:Re: How did this happen?
Posted by: GraysGhost - 15years 336days ago.
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litehoof wrote:
GraysGhost wrote:
litehoof wrote:
GraysGhost wrote:
litehoof wrote:
GraysGhost wrote:
litehoof wrote:
GraysGhost wrote:
litehoof wrote:
GraysGhost wrote:
http://www.youplay.it/play/bm_GameMove.asp?GameID=521337

facing him and shot down with tail hits - programme error.


You are not facing him. He was along side of your plane. Tail gunners always fire with deflection unless the enemy plane is in the 6 o'clock postion.


I was facing him though he was at sixty degrees to me. The fact that I had deflection on him does not mean he should get a tail shot from the rules - or is this yet another scripting error never sorted on this site.

The rules clearly state that when fired on from directly in front or behind tail and engine hits cannot be recorded. For him he was firing down the length of my plane - no chance of deflection.

How many of these scripting things are there and can we have an errata sheet published?

Not an error. It only count when you fire directly at him not from the side of your plane. Observer rules are different than pilot rules.

Here's the rule for deflection from the rule book:
Firing with Deflection: Add this value unless the target plane is directly in front of the firing plane and is facing directly toward or away from it. For example, in the diagram, aircraft A, B, and C are firing at aircraft D. A is firing with deflection; B and C are not.

Your enemy was not directly in front of your plane so you get deflection. With deflection you can hit the entire plane. It is not a direct fire into the front or rear of the enemy. That is the only time that hits are transferred.


Well done - that is why I said I was firing with deflection.

However he was firing directly at the front of my plane - therefore without deflection. from the diagrom above D firing at A - no deflection at all but firing at my engine and shooting off my tail.

The rules say - under Observers...

"The observer receives the modifier for deflection unless he is firing directly to his aircraft's rear and the target aircraft is facing directly toward or away from him."

Also the rules state -

"If the aircraft is fired upon from directly to its front, all tail hits become engine hits. If it is fired upon from directly to its rear, all engine hits become tail hits."

Are you telling me that you never noticed that if an observer fires directly at the front of a plane, he gets the deflection modifier and the hits are transfered from tail to engine.

Read the rules for goodness sake.


I have read the rules. Apparently your translation isn't right. You can't have deflection and fire directly. Those words are opposites. If you have deflection you are not firing directly. When the observer fires directly he does not have deflection and then the hits transfer.
Interpret the rules for goodness sake.


The observer gets deflection because he is firing out of the side of the plane.

He is firing at the front of the enemy plane so all tail hits become engine.

Interpret the rules - why they were written in English and whilst I am also fluent in French I don't believe that they need to be in another language. So I must apologise to you - Learn the language then read the rules.


My thoughts exactly. You are reading what is not there. You are only firing directly into the front when you fire from the front. Think of two old ships of the line. One is sailing east/west firing a broadside. The other ship is sailing NNW. It looks like you are firing straight on but you are not. It is actually an angled shot that can hit the entire length of the oncoming ship. The planes are the same way. The plane was coming at an angle to the observer and was fired upon at an angle. So the whole plane can be hit. If your plane had come straight up the tail only the engine could be hit.


Let me get this straight.

You think that if someone runs straight towards you, if you turn sideways you can shoot him in the back, but if you face him you can only shoot him in the front.

Erm, where do you get your banana bullets because that is some trick shooting Tex.


This is what you don't understand. someone runs at you at an angle. you can hit them in the side . Your plane flew at an angle. they may have the face towards the other plane but they flew at an angle. So yes, you can hit the tail. No trick shot needed. My facing is irrelevent to where I'm shooting. Only his.


Okay so I'm running at an angle to you - facing you all of the time, but you can shoot me in the back.

Not that.

Okay then I'm running at an angle to you, and turn to face you as you shoot and you can shoot me in the back.

Nope not that either.

Ah, while I'm running at an angle to you, before I turn, you shoot, then I turn to face you and fall over with a bullet in my back.

So that would mean that firing happens at any time during the movement and not at the end of movement.

Except, that if I had finished my move facing engine to engine with your plane, the engine hits would have been tail hits. So that cannot be right either.

So, let me get this right.

You're making this up aren't you.


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