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| Message header | Area/Game: | Blue Max | | Topic: | Rules | | Subject: | Re: Winning a match | | Posted by: | HeadMMoid  - 18years 214days ago. |
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| Message text ksnake wrote:
I also have to say that this is the first time I have ever heard it claimed that General Patton did not make the "No bastard …" statement. However, rereading your posts, it seems possible that your exact intent may be unclear. That is, what you have said could be taken to mean either of two things;
1) Patton did not make that statement as part of his speech to troops of the Third Army (and it is from the Third Army speech that much of the opening scene of the movie was taken).
2) Patton never made the "No bastard …" statement.
If the intent is the first option, then the first two references do not support the claim, but the third reference does, and is all that is necessary to show that your statement is accurate.
If the intent is the second option, then none of the references adequately support the claim, and one contradicts it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton
This Wiki page actually contradicts a claim that Patton never made the statement, including the quotation in a "Famous Quotes" section. (And the text was present when I first looked at that page within two hours of your original post.) However, this is a Wiki entry, and therefore is always subject to questioning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patton_%28film%29
This page neither supports nor refutes either of the options I listed, although it may be noted that in the "Trivia" section, which discusses a number of errors in and issues with the film, the quote is not mentioned. However, it does indicate that the claim that the opening speech "was added to the movie after the movie was complete" is incorrect. Rather, "The scene at the beginning of the film with Patton delivering his monologue was actually the last scene filmed. Originally, it was supposed to have been the first scene shot, but Scott requested that he be saved for the end of filmmaking." Thus, the scene was not added afterwards, but simply moved in its shooting time.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060427130404/http://www.knox.army.mil/museum/pattonsp.htm
This page solidly supports a claim that the quote was not part of Patton's original speech to units within the Third Army; and so by implication, the quote was an addition to the movie speech. However, the page does not indicate that Patton never made the statement, only that it was not in the subject speech.
At this point I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with the claims, only noting that the references provided do not support a claim that Patton never made the statement. If such is your intent, then, since you indicated that you have encountered the claim previously in your reading, perhaps you could give some indication as to where you found this, to better support your position.
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