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| City: | Wynne, Arkansas  | | Personal Data: | Male, born: November 26 1954 | | Membership | 21years 130days ago. | | Last Login | 3years 360days ago. | | Last Move | 3years 350days ago. | kduke is currently  | Send a mail to kduke |
| Message header | Area/Game: | Blue Max | | Topic: | Other | | Subject: | Re: You might to avoid Imdog if you can | | Posted by: | kduke  - 20years 127days ago. |
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| Message text <Perhaps I have exaggerated the overall effect. It seemed dishonest at first glance, but with the feedback received here, I can now see it in a bit of a different light.>
No, it is dishonest.
First, I think the "use a clone to help a rookie" thing is fabulous. I love it.
But Parker did not start this game to help a rookie. He joined a game started by someone who has been here almost a year.
There was no "help the new guy" thing going on at all, and the plane balance in "Here comes the Navy" is pretty good, overall (so say the scenario stats) so "taking the weaker plane to learn" is not really at work here either.
Is the issue going off the side of the board versus being shot one more time? Okay, I admit the wisdom of survival-- I'm one of the players who makes a point of trying not to get shot down, because being careless about that doesn't seem "right" to me somehow. So if you and I are playing a straight up game and one of us decides "off the side" is preferable to being run down and shot, I'll admit the honesty of the emotion.
That is, I will admit it IF YOU ARE PLAYING YOUR "REAL" SELF.
Yeah, you can say "points don't matter." But the game does elect to take 1/2 away from you if you exit the wrong sides, so in game terms, this does matter somewhat. If you are willing to lose 1/2 your points and take a "hit" on your per-game average with the personality that you consider "real," then I'll grant it's a good thing for taking the game seriously-- yes, the "real guy" would likely land, bail out, whatever.
But when you are playing a clone with zero emotional investment, then you have cheated your opponents. This was not designated as a "test game" or a "help the rookie" game. We only found out about the clone-ness by guessing, because "parker" said an odd phrase identical to what Imdog had said on the forum and we asked. And yes, he was straight up enough to tell us he was a clone and give us the "I use this is for practice" story. But we had not agreed to a practice game. If he shoots one of us down, it "counts" to us. That alone strikes me as an unethical "practice."
Exiting the board is not something anyone needs to practice.
And it does strike me as interesting when people can say, in the same forum posting, that they don't care about stats or points, but that when they are playing "for real" then they want only a strong plane, but that they will use a clone to play a weaker plane. Listen to yourselves!
If you want to take a clone as a N 17 in one of the big games where those poor SOBs are just fodder, I understand. In those games, it's just a matter of which super plane scores the most points and if no one took the N17s... well, wouldn't that be a shame? (Actually, I guess it would be a shame, since newbies would end up taking those slots because they don't know any better and just be even easier kills for the brave guys in super planes. The bad effect is, if you're playing your first couple BMs and get swatted like that, you might decide this is not really much fun.)
But uf you take a clone in a small game where your being there or darting out has a huge significance on the final outcome... a game against other people who are playing as "themselves," and you are cheating them of an honest game.
Would Imdog have played the same way AS "Imdog?"
It's just a matter of mind-set. If your mind is playing with "this does not matter, I can take risks I would not normally take because it does not count," and you are doing this against someone who is taking it for real...don't you see the difference?
Maybe not. But I do.
--- Message edited by kduke |
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