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Area/Game:Blue Max
Topic:Rules
Subject:Re: on cowardly
Posted by: wetty11 - 20years 180days ago.
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marcuza wrote:
Nick wrote:
Since many of you reported many pilot's cowardly behaviour, here, in the war room (the RedRum), we had an idea...

What about an option, available during the game creation phase to halve the points if you retire, even using your side ?

Any comments ?

Nick.


As it's stated, I can't agree.

I think that we don't really need to penalize coward pilots, rumors are quite useful to avoid them. Fun, honour and fairplay are definitely more important than stats, and I don't mind if an enemy retires cause is a coward who wants to catch an easy win ... he's just a poor pilot, and a poor man. This is his problem, not mine.

Anyway I understand that some of you are more interested in stats than me, so if you want to put penalties for coward, remember that there are a lot of reasons to retire:
  • Low fuel
  • Heavily damaged plane
  • No machineguns left
  • Strongly outnumbered situations

    No one of these reasons deserve points penalization, because they are common also to a good and respectable pilot.

    My idea, maturated with the experience of our tournaments, is that you should avoid penalization for pilots who exit from the RIGHT side with:
  • less than 3 points of fuel
  • one section damaged more than 75%, or all sections damaged more than 50% (you could modify these values, this is just what we used)
  • no machineguns left

    Moreover, you should consider (we didn't) the outnumbering factor ... this is more hard, but you should find a solution even for that if you want to add penalizations.

    Take a look at this game:
    http://www.youplay.it/Play/bm_GameMove.asp?GameID=107416&Status=STAND

    I remained alone on a Pfaltz D.III against a Snipe, a Bristol, an S.E.5a and a Camel on turn 7 !!! Should I have been penalized if I'd exit? I don't think ... anyway I didn't reach my border.

    Halving the points is a good penalization. I think you should also consider heavier penalizations for who exits from the wrong side (e.g. counting him as shot down, or giving him a 0 points score)

    My 2 eurocents ...

    Have fun
    Marcuza



  • I'm with Marcuzza on most of this. Penalizing players for what a real pilot would do and very often did seems completely wrong. Doing what is smart should not be something you penalize someone for.

    If parameters like what Marcuzza is suggesting here for reasons for reasonable exit without halving a pilots points could be added then I think that is a reasonable solution.

    Other than that I have to also agree with others who say don't pay attention to points and 'games' won. Pay attention to kills only. I am about ready to rack up another kill on that Culone kid as sweet justice for him running out on a game on me.

    Cris (wetty11)

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